WWIII? Or just a little fuckery?

[Scooter]

Please quote the post where there was a list of totalitarian communist governments, and nothing else, and I claimed that they were all of the right.

Go ahead and search, I'll wait.

You should know by now that I will always remember what you posted better than you can.

[liberty]

The snowflake will have a stroke if the snowflake doesn't calm down, and there will be no one for the snowflake to blame but itself. Don't be a snowflake. Don't let it bother you.

[Scooter]

I am embarrassed about being called out for lying, because I know that's what I did.

Fixed that for you.

[liberty]

I predict that Putin will win in Ukraine and end up with the entire country and Russia will come out this much stronger than it was before. It's a foregone conclusion, in my mind, that Ukraine will lose because of the cowardice or maybe even treason coming out of the White House. But the question is what to do about it? The only positive I can see is the opportunity to get as many of those Ukrainians here as possible; all of them if possible. Their grit would make us a much stronger nation at least until they become too Americanized.

We should start now making plans for an organized retreat out of the country into Eastern Europe so that they can board ships and come to the United States. They should be kept together in their own community, even if that requires government support, in order to keep them from becoming too weakened by liberal American culture. However, I'm sure that Biden and Harris would either sabotage or fuck that up too, so that we come out of it as total losers.

[Sue U]

Politics
These 112 House Republicans voted against Ukraine aid
Bryan Metzger Apr 20, 2024, 3:10 PM EDT

Reps. Thomas Massie, Lauren Boebert, and Matt Gaetz all voted against a more than $60 billion bill to provide aid to Ukraine. Tom Williams/CQ-Roll Call via Getty Images

The House passed a more than $60 billion bill that provides more military aid to Ukraine.

It's part of a larger foreign aid package that's likely to pass the Senate and be signed into law.

112 Republicans voted it against — the most ever, and a majority of the GOP conference.

The House of Representatives on Saturday passed a more than $60 billion bill to provide military and economic aid to Ukraine.

A solid majority of Republicans voted against the bill, which passed by a 311-112 margin. 101 Republicans voted for it, and one Republican, Rep. Dan Meuser of Pennsylvania, voted "present."

The Ukraine aid bill came to the floor after months of delay and despite staunch opposition from the hard right, including a threat from Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene to call a vote to oust House Speaker Mike Johnson if he allowed such a vote.

Under Johnson's unconventional plan, the Ukraine bill will be sent to the Senate as part of a package that includes aid for Israel and Taiwan and a third bill that forces a sale of TikTok and allows the United States to confiscate Russian assets. Each component received its own vote in the House on Saturday.

The bill is widely expected to pass the Senate in the coming days, as it generally mirrors a $95.3 billion national security bill passed by the upper chamber in February. President Joe Biden has pledged to sign it into law.

Saturday's vote marked the first time the House had approved billions of dollars in Ukraine aid since December 2022, when Democrats still controlled the chamber.

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In the two years since Russia's invasion, opposition to aiding Ukraine has grown from a fringe position to a majority view among House GOP lawmakers. Many argue the money should be spent domestically or that policy changes at the US-Mexico border should take precedence.

The new infusion of aid comes at a make-or-break moment for Ukraine, which has faced ammo shortages and insufficient air defenses.

As a result of his move, Johnson could face a vote on his ouster in the coming weeks. The GOP speaker, however, has grown more willing to confront the threat from the right, and Democrats have suggested that they're willing to protect him from an ouster effort if he allowed a vote on Ukraine aid.

"If I operated out of fear of a motion to vacate, I would never be able to do my job," Johnson told reporters this week. "History judges us for what we do. This is a critical time right now."

Here are the 112 House Republicans who voted against the bill:

The 112 House Republicans who voted against Ukraine aid on Saturday. Clerk of the House of Representatives

Source: Business Insider

[Bicycle Bill]

I'm ashamed to discover that the Congressional representative for my district (3rd Wisconsin), Derrick Van Orden, voted in opposition to this bill.   I find that puzzling as he touts himself as a veteran and former Navy SEAL with 26 years of service, and claims he will do almost anything to support veterans and, by inference, the military — but in a way I'm not surprised, because since taking office in 2023 he has almost always lined up shoulder-to-shoulder along the 'MAGA-NO' Line with the rest of the Red Hat Brigade in Washington, so why should I expect him to do anything other than that now?

-"BB"-

[Big RR]

Well, I guess Liberty would say those 112 republicans are cowards and perhaps treasonous?

[liberty]

Well, I guess Liberty would say those 112 republicans are cowards and perhaps treasonous?

No, I think the Republicans Are doing what they always do demonstrating their concern about the amount of money been spent. I agree the money is a concern, but you can't let Putin win. As I said the amount of money being spent is a concern, so the war needs to end the war as soon as possible; the only way to do that is for the Russian Army in Ukraine to be cut off from their supply lines. The Ukrainians need long range weapons and plenty of them and permission to use them as they see fit. There shouldn't be an oil refinery in western Russia that is not on fire.' Who is it preventing them from doing that? The two cowards of the White House that's who. As I've already said Ukraine is going to lose because I don't see Biden and Harris changing anything because they're too afraid of Putin, so we need to start thinking about Plan B after Putin wins, what then.

[Scooter]

you can't let Putin win. As I said the amount of money being spent is a concern, so the war needs to end the war as soon as possible; the only way to do that is for the Russian Army in Ukraine to be cut off from their supply lines. The Ukrainians need long range weapons and plenty of them and permission to use them as they see fit. There shouldn't be an oil refinery in western Russia that is not on fire.

I am positive that is the largest number of words he has ever written with which I wholeheartedly agree.

[Big RR]

So Biden/Harris not spending money which Congress has not authorized is treason, but Congress playing politics with support for aid to Ukraine is not. Sure, I see that.

FWIW, much as I disagree with Congress on this issue (granted they have no approved some aid as Sue states), I do think they hold the purse strings and the president is not a dictator who can ignore the legislature. The hands of Biden and Harris are tied. And if this results in the Ukraine losing, the fault lies clearly with the republicans, who clearly don't want to anger Trump by going against his buddy Putin.

But Biden and Harris are guilty of treason.

[Sue U]

you can't let Putin win. As I said the amount of money being spent is a concern, so the war needs to end the war as soon as possible; the only way to do that is for the Russian Army in Ukraine to be cut off from their supply lines. The Ukrainians need long range weapons and plenty of them and permission to use them as they see fit. There shouldn't be an oil refinery in western Russia that is not on fire.

I am positive that is the largest number of words he has ever written with which I wholeheartedly agree.

While I also agree with the sentiment, unfortunately that is likely the way to WWIII. Putin would then be able to claim (with more justification than he has had) that NATO, led by the US, is using Ukraine as a staging ground to wage war on Russia. I certainly don't know enough about Kremlin politics to predict how that might shake out in terms of retaliation by Russia, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let that kind of escalation go unanswered.

[Jarlaxle]

It's a start. Long past time to stop pouring billions down the rat hole.

[liberty]

North Korean troops are in Ukraine and more headed there. What is Biden the coward going to do about it, and better still what is his cowardly vice president could do about it. liberal are supposed to be such geniuses, but they couldn't see something like this happening. If you going to let Putin scare you into defeat, we might as well just go into the negotiations to surrender and get used to having Russian Masters. Do you still think we could beat the Russians? All the tactics Putin has used in Ukraine he can use directly against us, fools!

[Crackpot]

You’re afraid of North Korean military?! And you call Biden and Harris cowards!? The lady doth protest too mich me thinks.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Oh, he broke into rubato's booze cabinet. Again.

[Sue U]

North Korean troops are in Russia, not Ukraine. Will they be used in Ukraine? Who knows? The DPRK military hasn't fought a war in 70 years. The country's industrial capacity to support a war is almost nonexistent. And 3,000 soldiers would be barely noticeable in the Russian meat grinder that is the war against Ukraine.

BTW, it's the GOP that wants to abandon Ukraine, not the Democrats. It takes some extremely wilful ignorance to miss that rather enormous fact.

[liberty]

Oh, he broke into rubato's booze cabinet. Again.

Bullshit you fool; stay in denial that' will save your grandchildren, you dufus.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Oh, he broke into rubato's booze cabinet. Again.

Bullshit you fool; stay in denial that' will save your grandchildren, you dufus.

Oh, lib! It's so sweet that you took ownership there!

[liberty]

If Biden is too much of a coward to give the Ukrainians missiles directly, he could do it clandestinely. He doesn't have to give them missiles for them to have missiles; he could sell them kits. If missiles come in two pieces that's a kit; the electronics package and the rocket. All the Ukrainians have to do is install the electronics and they would then have the long-range missiles to strike targets in western Russia and hopefully cripple the Russian war machine. The problem is Biden Is not only' a coward but he's too stupid to know the power that the president has when it comes to national defense, he can do almost anything other than declare war unless he's checked by Congress.

[MajGenl.Meade]